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Post by kristen on Feb 25, 2005 13:34:48 GMT -5
yay first topic.
I was actually thinking about this the other day. I know in some schools, the kids are forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance. My school doesnt, but i know there are some teachers that tell they're kids to in the mornings during homeroom.
My question: do you think schools should force kids to say it?
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Post by Jordan on Feb 25, 2005 22:48:36 GMT -5
Being that my homeroom teacher is an American Civics teacher, my class is forced to say the pledge, however he clearly states that if it goes against your religion, then you do not have to say it.
I say no.
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Post by Sabam on Feb 25, 2005 22:55:07 GMT -5
Every morning we are forced to sit straight, no fidgeting, and listen intently to a prayer over the intercom. Frankly, just like any other 'belief' that is imposed on anyone, I think it's impracticle and even slightly stupid.
Though it is good to encourage nationlistic beliefs, Americans go a bit too far. As does the Catholic religion. I suppose it's just another way to force upon a certain pride of one's country/religion.
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Post by Shelyuki on Feb 28, 2005 7:31:20 GMT -5
You shouldn't be forced to pledge to something you don't support, simple as that.
I know last year in my home room class, everyone was forced to stand during the Pledge but no one said a word.
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Post by aondy on Feb 28, 2005 21:04:13 GMT -5
the school is the lowest form of government, but its still a gov. of the US so the pledge should be said and out of sheer respect people should say it (although i never do) casue this country is pretty cool if you think about it
and for privte schools i dont know and dont care
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Post by Chrissy on Mar 2, 2005 22:05:12 GMT -5
I find it sorta creepy that American schools make their kids say the pledge o.O
we sing 'O Canada' at assemblies.... but I don't see anything wrong with it.....
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Post by kristen on Mar 3, 2005 16:08:14 GMT -5
being a heavy non-supporter of America (been Anti-America for like 2 years now) i refuse to say the pledge in respect of the country, but that's beside the point.
Same shel, our class is forced to stand but most people don't say anything. I dont say it because of the fact it has "one nation, under god" written in it. I'm aethiest(sp?), if that helps understand why.
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Post by lex on Mar 3, 2005 18:25:26 GMT -5
I'm with aondy. I think you should say it just out of respect. I mean, you live here. Even if you hate it, you're still in America... and if not out of respect for the government, at least say it for the respect of the good people who live here.
and it's not like it's 10 min. long either. It's what, about 30 seconds?
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Post by kristen on Mar 3, 2005 20:08:50 GMT -5
Why say something you don't mean?
I have as much tolerance for the american people as i do the government, and i don't have that much tolerance for the government since i find them to be very hypocritical. But, as i stated before, that's besides the point.
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Post by aondy on Mar 3, 2005 21:01:10 GMT -5
why say something you dont mean?
to shut people up.
why argue over something as (big word time) minuscule as a pledge in school, were its mostly immature kids who can't think for themselves, i think theres more important issues
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Post by kristen on Mar 3, 2005 21:56:55 GMT -5
why say something you dont mean? to shut people up. why argue over something as (big word time) minuscule as a pledge in school, were its mostly immature kids who can't think for themselves, i think theres more important issues Sorry, but i'm not about to bend over backwards and do something that goes against my thoughts and beliefs just to please the people around me. And while the pledge may be 'miniscule' to you, it does impact a lot of people. I know there are people in this country that really do cherish that, and i totally respect them for it. Besides, the topic was about schools FORCING the kids to say them. And immature for not thinking for themselves? Not thinking for themselves would be to just say it without thinking deeper into the situation. The fact i'm NOT being a brainless student and have analyzed the situation and decided it goes against my policies shows that i'm mature. |
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Post by Simian on Mar 14, 2005 22:46:45 GMT -5
I think that if somebody's entire religion is based off whether or not they say "under God", then they might not want to be in America. American money mentions God, the pledge mentions God, the constitution mentions God, even the (rebellion leaders) founding fathers mention God...
However, I don't the schools should force anybody to say it. To learn it, on the other hand, is both history and Government, and as Americans (born in or not), we need to respect and learn our history.
My schools never forced us to say it, not even to stand during it. And yes, I went to school in America.
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Post by Nica-Da on Apr 5, 2005 20:47:05 GMT -5
I had a fight with a teacher this past year in homeroom about this issue. Our homeroom teacher shares a classroom with another teacher. He's only there for homeroom and leaves and the other teacher teaches in that room for the rest of the day. For some reason this teacher believes that she is our homeroom teacher just because we use her classroom for 10 minutes in the morning. Well, what pretty much happened was it was time for the pledge to be said over the intercom and for everyone to stand and say it. I refused to stand for the fact that "under god" is in it. I'm not saying that I dont believe in God...but I do believe in separation of church and state, and there are people who don't believe in God and shouldn't say sumthing that includes him/her. I know that the pledge is to be said out of respect to the government, but what about the respect to the people who don't believe in that one line? Don't they get a say so? It got to the point to where the teacher tried to suspend me for not standing. I ended up in the office fighting for my right not to stand. Of course the office couldn't punish me for not standing because of my beliefs. A lot of kids in my class thought I wouldn't stand because of the fact I just didn't feel like it, but i wouldn't stand because I'm tired of these people who believe in one thing and never see anything from the other persons point of view...esp. when it involves their rights. The fact that the teacher was put in her place about the issue made me happy, maybe next time she'll think again before trying to take away a persons right to disagree.
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Post by kristen on Jun 2, 2005 20:20:20 GMT -5
Simian, i totally understand. I personally can't stand america because of the government that runs it, because as i said previously i find it to be very hypocritical. Why? In the constitution it states that religion won't affect any of their decisions but lately that seems to be dictating a lot of what's going on. The gay marriage factor, in some southern state a model of the 10 comandments was placed inside the court house and was immediately torn down because there isn't supposed to be a connection between religion and judiciary. But yet, it seems like they're inexplicably connected.
Which is why i want to leave as quick as possible.
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Post by Nozomi on Jun 4, 2005 15:23:11 GMT -5
I personally don't like it. I mean, most of the people in my homeroom don't care, but once we had a sub, and he scolded the people who didn't stand up and say it. He said:
"If you can't say the Pledge of Allegance, then you have no right to be here in the States."
Well, I don't even want to be in the United States. I wish to be back home in Japan. But I have to stay here. I have no say on it. I still won't say it because people have their own beliefs. Like if a religion does not believe to say it, then they shouldn't. Its not fair to be forced to say something you don't believe in.
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